Opinions Matter with Adrian & Jeremy

00:00 It's Ireland's most talked about podcast. The only podcast with live callers and live debates. It's Opinions Matter with Adrian and Jeremy. 00:12 You're very welcome to this latest Opinions Matter podcast with Adrian and Jeremy recorded live at our studio at the White Sands Hotel in Port Marnock in North County, Dublin. Now, if you're in the Port Marnock area, why not pop by the White Sands Hotel? The Oasis bar and grill below our studio here is well worth a visit. And I have to give a big shout out to Diana and her partner. And unfortunately, I don't know her partner's name, but they popped into the White Sands Hotel today and they sent us a message on our WhatsApp phone saying, Hiya, lads. 00:50 Well, I'll tell you exactly. We drove up from Kildare. We're walking from Malahide to Port Marnock. We'll pop into the Sands Hotel. Any chance of a travel cup and a photo? Now, we obliged with both, gave them both a travel mug. So if you're around the Port Marnock area, when we record our podcast, which is most weekday afternoons between about one and four, there's always somebody here. Let us know. Send us a WhatsApp and we'll give you a free travel mug. 01:20 And in fact, there's another crowd arriving into the White Sands Hotel and they're coming to stay. from England, so Tasha is over from London, and they too, they're staying here in the hotel, and they have asked for travel mugs, which we're going to give them after we record today's episode. Sorry, both couples who don't know each other are staying in the same hotel room? 01:43 No, no, no, no, no, no, the others were just out for a walk. Oh, sorry, I said, yeah... Are you sure? Yeah, positive, yeah. 01:49 The lady from England, Tasha from England, yeah. No, she's Irish, but she's home from England, yeah. And she's just staying in the hotel, and she wants a travel mug, so. Okay. That's it. So if you happen to be around this neck of the woods, swing by the hotel when we're here, and we'll organise a travel mug for you. You see? See what I did? there and if you stay listening to this episode of opinions matter at the end of the episode we will have an opinions matter travel mug to give away with a silly little question so stay listening to this episode if you would like to be in with a chance of winning so what do we want to talk about on this latest episode of the opinions matter podcast we got a message from one of our listeners and um Our listener has been on to us and has spoken to us on the podcast before, but is annoyed over one particular thing. 02:42 But he's annoyed over a lot of things. A lot of you regular listeners of this podcast will know Eamon because he's been on a couple of times. He has. And we mentioned this briefly on a previous podcast. We have to be very careful what we say about it. But it's the topic that everybody is talking about. Everybody is shocked by it. And we're talking about the incident that occurred on the M50 at the weekend, where one car, which the Gardaí believe was a stolen car, that's what they have said, was being driven on the M50 at very high speeds and crashed into another car, which was being driven by an innocent bystander. 03:19 Could have been you, could have been me. We understand, yeah. It could have been anybody driving on the road at that time of the morning. 03:27 And the car hit, the innocent car, head on, and they all ended up in hospital, some still in serious condition. And people have been asking the question, what the fuck, pardon my French, how in God's name were eight? And we know that one of the people in the car was, how young, 14 or something like that? Mm-hmm. 14 years of age. Mm-hmm. How in God's name, there's so many questions. 03:52 Okay, just on that case, the mother of the man involved in that crash, this is the innocent man in the other car. Driving by in his own business. Has basically said that someone has to face consequences. And here's the really disturbing part of this story. Gardaí are investigating the fact that these eight, and I want you to bear in mind there were eight young fellows crammed into a tiny little car. in the early hours of Sunday morning. 04:22 Toyota Vitz. Whatever it was. A tiny little car, not designed for eight people. But Gardaí are investigating a link with a gang called the Lucky Dip Gang. Now, Firstly, these are kids involved in a gang that Gardie even have a name for, the Lucky Dip Gang. And it just beggars belief. I want to read the message that we got from Eamon. So Eamon has been on this podcast before, and here's what he said. 04:52 See those lot who ran amok on the M50. Apparently, lots of them are kids. I think one is 14. If they are charged with a crime, they should be named and shamed in the media. But they won't because of our stupid laws on naming juvenile offenders. This needs to change. It would stop them committing crimes if they knew they'd be named and shamed. They're big enough to do the crime. They should be big enough to be named from a guy called Eamon in Swords. 05:26 Now... 05:27 At this moment, as you will all be aware, if a juvenile, and that is somebody under the age of 18, commits a crime and is convicted in the children's court of that crime, we will never know their name. We'll never even know any information about the court case because it's all held in camera, which means there's no cameras. 05:51 It's held in private, basically. 05:53 So basically, if you look at it, and we don't want to just focus on this M50 case because we are aware that some... And it needs to be pointed out, nobody at this moment has been charged with any crime in relation to that. 06:03 No. And some are in serious condition in hospital. 06:07 Back, one of the biggest stories in recent years in Ireland was, of course, the anacridial case. Absolutely. That shocked the world. 06:15 Both Boy A and Boy B at the time they committed the murder of Anacretia. Now, Anacretia was 14 at the time. Both Boy A and Boy B were 13 at the time. Her name was everywhere. We all know her name. So her name was... 06:32 Rallied out in all the media. Everybody knows the name Anna Creta. Absolutely. And nobody knows, but some people do. I happen to know their names. I think you do as well. But the vast majority of the public do not know the name. Because they haven't been publicly named. They were never publicly of. And that caused outrage at the time. Lots of people went on social media to name them. I was against people naming them. Some people were actually done for contempt of court for naming them. I said you could ruin the case. I said, wait until it's all over. But for all intents... No, no, it's something to do with the case. You cannot name a juvenile publicly. 07:05 Either way. Yeah. No, but I think once they were found guilty, I think it would have been fair game to name them, I would have thought. It would be in the public interest to know who these dangerous individuals are. 07:15 Okay, the question that we want to ask is, it's a very simple one. Have you any reasonable argument as to why juveniles should not be named? OK, at this moment, if a juvenile offender appears in court, he or she is not named. If a juvenile offender is found guilty and even sentenced to a time in somewhere like Oberstown, they will not be named. Boy A and Boy B are great examples of that. They have never been publicly named. They were incarcerated in Oberstown for a period of time and they are now in adult prison and still haven't been named, even though they are now adults. 07:54 we don't know their names and we will never know their names. Now, the question we're asking is, can you give me a good reason as to why juveniles under the age of 18 should not be named? Now, they're not named at the moment, but why do we need to keep that situation? That's really the question that we're asking. 08:11 Well, in the eyes of the law, it's because they're considered minors and they're considered children. It's not they're considered, they are minors. They are, and the law is there to protect their identity. My opinion of this is fairly straightforward. If you commit a crime, if you're big and bold enough to commit a crime, whether that's murdering a poor, innocent girl, like boy A and boy B, yeah, or... If you are big and bold enough to rob keys from somebody's house and joyride a car around Dublin and possibly could have possibly caused a death of someone on the roads. 08:43 If you're big and bold enough to do any of that shit, you're big and bold enough to have your name plastered in the newspapers, on the media, the whole lot. 08:51 Well, that's the question that we want to ask you. Our number is 085-825-2626. We're asking, should juveniles be named publicly if they are convicted of a crime, okay? 09:06 Well, no, I think when they're charged, like with an adult, if you're charged, you are then named in the news. Okay, so if you're charged and you're going to be put on trial... So say the Parnell Square incident... 09:19 Riyad Bhushakar we all know his name now he was named as soon as he was charged with the crime yeah he was even though he was still innocent until proven guilty he was named he was named okay so should juveniles who are charged with a crime be named or at the very least should they be named after they are found guilty No, no, no. You're saying charged. I'm asking, should they at the very least be named when they're found guilty? Our number is 085-825-2626. 09:50 If you would like to get involved in this conversation, we really would like to hear from you on this. Let's kick off with Ciarán. 09:58 Anyone who wants people named before they're charged obviously doesn't have a brain. They just have to sit down for five minutes and think of the consequences on an innocent person being named and shamed all over the place. But obviously they don't have that level of intelligence. 10:14 Nobody said here on that somebody should be named before they are charged. Nobody said that we're saying we're asking, should they be named when they are charged or at the very least when they are found guilty? That's the question. Nobody said they should be named before they are charged. 10:33 Opinions Matter with Adrian Kennedy and Jeremy Dixon. A daily podcast from Ireland about opinions. 10:41 Need new carpets, flooring, beds or furniture? Then head to Carpet Luxury Bedding and Furniture where great value comes as standard. Don't miss their famous 500 euro stairs and landing package deal covering up to 16 square yards of quality carpet supplied and fitted. Looking for a modern update? Check out their fantastic range of laminate flooring and vinyls available in a variety of styles to suit every home and budget. Expert advice, free measuring and years of trusted service. Carpet Luxury Bedding and Furniture has everything you need to refresh your home. Visit the showroom today or shop online at carpetluxurybeddingandfurniture.com. 11:14 Lee, you're on Opinions Matter. How are you, Lee? Hey, how's it going? Good, thanks, Lee. What did you want to say on this? 11:21 I suppose it depends on the age of the minor because obviously a 10-year-old is very different to an 18-year-old or a 17-year-old, whatever. You know what I mean? So I really think it depends on the crime and the age. I think in this instance, because there was eight of the teenagers, I do agree that they need to face repercussions and they will face the law in whatever capacity the law is currently. 11:44 But I do really feel it's dependent on a child's age. Okay. In this country, the age of criminal responsibility is 12. Okay. So from the age of 12, you can be prosecuted for committing a crime. 12:03 So they're going to face prosecutions and under the current law. Is that right then? 12:07 Well, I don't know because, you know. 12:10 Well, 13, I think someone stated there that one of the kids were. 12:14 Correct. Yeah, that's right. 12:15 Yeah, so they're going to face the law then. So they're not getting all scot-free. Do you know what I mean? 12:20 Okay, now obviously we can't really discuss it at the moment or go into detail. 12:24 No, but let's just go on the basis of that though. 12:26 OK, but I would have thought that only one person was driving the car. You can't have eight people driving one car. So I don't know what the one not driving the car would be charged with. 12:35 I'm not a law. I'm not a solicitor. I don't know the repercussion. I don't know the law inside out. But if whoever was facing or whoever is facing repercussions of the law under whatever the law is, they're going to face repercussions. Do you know what I mean? I really think it's dependent on age, though. You can't turn around and say, sorry, you can't say a 10 year old should face the full wrath. I'm not saying they shouldn't have repercussions. Absolutely. But I don't think you can turn around and say a 10 year old is the same as a 17, 18 and an adult. 13:08 Okay, but as we said, a 10-year-old has not reached the age of criminal responsibility. 13:13 Yeah, but if you say get rid of the law of minors, you're getting rid of the law of minors from 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, whatever. 13:25 You're missing the point that I'm making. A 10-year-old is not going to be charged in court with a crime because they haven't reached the age of criminal responsibility yet. 13:32 OK, but what happens if somebody does commit a crime? Because the case in the UK were per Jamie Bulger. Those lads didn't get to go home. Rightfully so. They didn't get to go home, did they? 13:43 No. OK, but the question is, let's imagine in this case, and obviously we don't know what's going to happen with this. This is being investigated. 13:50 Well, hopefully they'll face repercussions and nobody has lost their life. 13:54 Like there's no fucking hatred in the sense that, you know what I was like, you know what that 22 year old got out of the car and said he went over to the other people in the car that rammed him and said, is everyone OK? So that just shows you the bravery, the humanity and the decency instead of just being hatred. 14:12 I have to be honest with you, I wouldn't have that same humanity as... No, but that's what I'm saying. 14:16 That's what I'm saying. 14:17 A lot of people wouldn't. But the mother of the guy, of that guy that you're talking about, the mother of that guy was speaking on a radio station in Cork and said that somebody has to be held accountable for what happened. 14:30 A hundred percent. 14:31 Let me ask you, let's imagine a scenario where somebody in that other car is charged in relation to that accident, okay? And that's a very real possibility. At this moment in time, that individual could appear in court, could be charged in relation to it, but we will never, ever, ever know who that is and we'll never know where they're from. We'll never know anything because... 14:57 Yes, because that's the current law in place. Yeah, I understand. 15:01 Even if that child is found guilty of causing that accident or any accident or any crime, they will not be named. Do you think that's right? 15:11 Do you not think the main thing is that they face repercussions and they face the law? Do you not think that's the main thing? 15:18 Yes, I do. I absolutely do. Yeah, I do. Yeah. 15:21 Well, that's what I would want. And as a mother, if that was my child that got rammed, or not child, if that was my son that got rammed, I would want the repercussions faced and someone charged. I wouldn't care if it was Bob, whatever. I just want to know what actions were taken in place. 15:41 So you're saying just as with boy A and boy B, we don't know who they are. We just know them by night. 15:47 They were 13-year-olds. Like, they were 13-year-olds. I'm not justifying that. I'm not saying what they did was right. I think it's horrific. It's absolutely... There's no words for it. But my point is, if you name and shame... Say you name and shame, like... 16:05 It's there for a reason, obviously, to the point that a minor, say a 10-year-old or a 13-year-old, would be under more risk of harm. That's probably why it was initially put there. And maybe the chances, I don't know if they've done their history and done that or research, I've no idea. 16:22 If we look at those two young fellas who are now adults, okay, they've aged a lot since... Which ones? now sorry sorry boy A and boy B are now adults they're now being incarcerated in an adult prison the question still stands now that they're adults now they committed the crime when they were kids but now that they're adults should we know who they are 16:44 I think, like, I don't know what the law is. It means that they're never named, even if they turn adults. 16:53 Those boys will never be named. Well, they're men now. Those men will never be named. 16:56 Okay, so I don't really know what to say about that, because in the sense that we were just, like, the point was that minors not being named. 17:06 Let's go back to the M50 and any crime involving a juvenile. If that juvenile is charged, prosecuted and found guilty, that's enough for you, is it? 17:17 We don't need to know their name. No, it's not. It will never be enough for your son being rammed and never getting behind the wheel again. And God knows what that 20-year-old has had to have surgery-wise or medical-wise. It's not that it will never be enough, but the main thing is that they face repercussions and they are charged and they don't walk away. They are faced with the consequences of their actions. 17:41 My question to you, Lee, was if that does happen and if somebody is charged in relation to that... 17:46 Well, if they're over 12, the law is, you're saying that they will be. Yes, if they're over 12. 17:50 No, no, no, I'm not saying that they will. No, I'm saying they will if there's enough evidence in order to prosecute them. 17:57 Well, if they're caught on CCTV camera, we don't know. 18:01 But my question to you is, if somebody is charged and prosecuted and convicted of an involvement in that accident on the M50, and it turns out they're juveniles, are you happy that they not be named? 18:15 I'm not saying, no. To say, am I happy? I think the situation, no. I wouldn't be happy with any of them. 18:21 Okay, then are you happy? Are you content enough then with the law as it is that protects juvenile offenders? 18:26 I think the law needs to be looked at in terms of offenders, older teenager offenders where they... 18:35 If there is no repercussions, I think there should be. 18:38 Again, I'm not a sinister. I don't know the laws to what the repercussions are. But if it needs to be revised, fine. But I think the age of 10, 13, like obviously it's there for a reason. And they feel that they're putting children at risk by naming. That's the whole point of this. But the main thing is that they face the judicial system. At an age, and they, well, whatever the law is, that they face judicial system, they face the repercussion of their actions. Okay. 19:06 And they're put in front of a judge and jury, basically. Stay with me for a moment. Our number is 085-825-2626. Jess, you're on Opinions Matter. How are you, Jess? How is it? Jess, we have laws in place to protect minors while they are kids. Do you believe that a teenager found guilty of a crime or even charged with a crime should be publicly named? 19:32 100%. I think that's why the law is the problem, because if it takes a little stroke, part of the punishment should be that their name is shamed everywhere. 19:39 OK, one of the issues is we are, whether you like to admit it or not, we are still talking about children. We're talking about kids under the age of 18. In law, they are children. They are minors and they need protection. And one of the protections offered to minors is that they are not identified when it comes to their crimes. Right. 20:02 No, I don't believe that. They're going to act like Billy Big Bullocks and they're big enough and bold enough to have their names and faces everywhere. 20:08 So you wouldn't protect their identity at all? Nope. A 13-year-old, you would have a 13-year-old's name and photograph all out there for all to see? 20:18 Adrian, if he was big and bold enough to do it, he's big and bold enough to suffer. 20:22 But Jess, we all did stupid things when we were younger. Really, really stupid things. 20:26 Oh, I'm sorry, Adrian. Did you steer the car and go up on the wrong side at the end, Sisky? 20:29 No, I didn't. No, no, thankfully. Oh, there you go. But I did do some stupid things, as I'm sure you did. Maybe you didn't, but a lot of people do stupid things when they're young. Well, a lot of people do. My question is, should you have to suffer for the rest of your days because of something stupid you did when you were a kid? 20:48 Yeah, but stop calling this stupid. What they're doing isn't stupid. 20:51 Well, it is fucking stupid. 20:52 What these little scrobes are doing isn't just stupid. It's downright dangerous. So why not have them named ashamed everywhere? I don't know why you're trying to protect these little scrobes. 21:02 Well, Lee, what do you say to that? There is no need to protect people who are teenagers committing crimes. 21:10 I don't agree with a 10 or a 13 year old being plastered everywhere because at the end of the day, they are a child. It doesn't justify their wrong actions taken, but you can't turn around and say a 10 year old is the same as an adult. You just can't. 21:27 How can you turn around and put the risk of a child? They're plastered everywhere. Sorry, who's plastered everywhere? 21:34 The two young fellas who took Jamie Bowden's wife were 10 years old. They were plastered everywhere. No, they weren't. 21:39 They weren't disclosed initially. Yes, they weren't. They weren't disclosed initially, were they? No, I don't think they were. 21:44 And sorry, Jess, they were given new identities. They were given new identities. 21:49 And they were 10, last. That's also a big problem. That's also a big problem. It's not, but Jess, it's for the safety of the public. And it's 10-year-olds. 21:56 It's for the safety of the public because we have nutters out there that will turn around. And the same with the latest guy that's been extradited. He got top coverage because they didn't want a bullet in the back of his head. They want him to be put in front of a judge. So can you justify that? No, you can't. 22:13 Is that not part of the problem that we're giving these new identities? No, it's a 10-year-old. 22:19 You can't turn around and say a 10-year-old is the same as an adult. You can't. It's a child. Regardless. No, they're not big and bold enough. That's the problem. There's seriously something fucked up with a 10-year-old to do something to the likes of Jamie Balcher. I knew right from wrong. I knew right from wrong with 10. Yeah, but look. I wasn't getting it up with the guards at 10. But you don't know. And I'm not justifying it. And what they did was horrific and there's no excuses. 22:44 You're going to say I don't know their upbringing, aren't you? You're going to say I don't know the upbringing. 22:47 No, but you can. Listen, Jess, what your outlook on life, how fucking deranged and how mentally stable you are is how you're brought up. And if you were kicked the shit out of day in and day out as a child, and you end up beating someone else, that's all you know. You don't know what else. The same way those children out on the motorway at half five in the morning... What the fuck were eight kids doing in a car and the motorway at half five in the morning? 23:13 No, no, we need to turn the phone. We need to take off the kid gloves. We need to take off the kid gloves. No, no, but you can't, no. 23:19 You can't pass through a 10-year-old everywhere. You can't. You're not listening to what Lee is saying. 23:25 Young people who are committing crimes are a product of their upbringing. That's really what she's saying. Is that right? 23:31 No, that's just an excuse. That is just an excuse. I'm sorry, to just add to that. 23:36 My child could make a stupid move and be in that car, no matter what I drill into him and what I say. So it's how easy we're on the greener side of things, we're on the other side of the picket fence. God help all of those parents in this situation. Because I'm telling you now, whatever ones are present... No, Jess, I'm sorry. But you can't look at it from a fucking glass house or greenhouse thinking that you're all hunty-dory on the inside. You're not. It can easily happen to any of us. because I was reared right, Lee. Is that why? 24:06 I was reared right, Lee. My son is reared right, but he can make one stupid fucking move and get in a car. 24:12 So, Jess, I want to ask you a question. 24:14 Would he get in a stolen car the wrong way on the M50? 24:18 I don't know. I'm bringing him up the best way I can, Jess. 24:20 Jess, this goes back. to being young and stupid. Let me just explain to you why juvenile offenders are not named in the news or in courts. The reason behind that is to give them an opportunity to change their lives. To give them an opportunity to not have their teenage... Yes, exactly. To change their lives and not let their teenage years define the rest of their lives. Now, do you not think that that's a good thing? 24:52 No. No. 24:53 It's not so black and white. I don't see how you can turn around and say a 10-year-old. No, they said before, they're big and bold enough to get in the car. Okay. 25:00 Again, Jess. 25:03 Yes, I'm going to just read what it says here. And it says the laws are in place to protect young people because their brains are still growing and public shame can stop them from getting a job, staying in school or living a normal life as an adult. You want all of that on the shoulders of teenagers. 25:23 All I'm hearing is excuses. It's not excuses. It's saying they face the repercussions. You two would be brilliant defence lawyers. You know that? You two would be brilliant defence lawyers. No, it's not defence lawyers. No, Jess, sorry. I'm not saying they should get away scot-free. They need to face the consequences. They did very wrong, a very dangerous thing. I agree with you on all of those points. But you can't turn around and justify plastering a 10-year-old for that world for nutters to go out and take on their own law. 25:52 I would go a step further and stop wiping the records at 18. 25:56 Okay, so if somebody above the age of criminal responsibility, Jess, which is from 12 onwards, is found guilty of a crime, you want them publicly identified, you want them named, you want the world to know who they are, even though they're only kids. 26:12 name shamed and stopped wiping their records at 18. 26:15 God help anyone, God help anyone if that's the case because children are a product of literally what is done to them as well. And God help anyone if you can't see that. 26:27 Jess, you obviously believe that a 13-year-old knows exactly what they're doing and has their... No, they don't know they're as well as well. 26:33 I knew when I was 13, I wasn't getting into stolen cars going on the wrong way in the end. 26:38 No, look, I'm not saying, listen, what I'm trying to say is this kid, one of these kids, they might not have any parents present to even tell them right and wrong. Put it this way, right? They might not have, they could be fucking strung out in a flat somewhere, right? There's parents out there that aren't present and won't be there to teach a child right or wrong. That's my point. And I'm not saying they should get off scot-free. You are not looking at life as to how it is for everyone. It's not an excuse to stress. That's the reality of the world. If a child doesn't have the foundation there. 27:10 Oh, sorry, Your Honour. He had a bad upbringing. No, no, absolutely not. That's not what I'm saying. The child needs to get support and help, but also face the repercussions of the wrongs they've done. They need to be pointed out and they need to turn around and get... Jess, do you not guess that some young people... 27:32 When I look at myself when I was 13 or 14, I was a little gobshite. I was a fucking agent of a young fella. 27:37 You weren't Robin Carr. 27:38 No, but I was a dope. I was a dope of a young fella, okay? 27:41 Adrian, were you robbing cars? Were you luring young girls to their deaths? 27:44 No, I wasn't. No, I wasn't, thankfully. But a lot of young kids, teenagers, children, they don't always understand the result of what they do. 27:54 No, they don't. They don't see a ramen. They don't see deaths. They don't turn around and see that they could have ended that 22-year-old's life. Absolutely. They don't see the repercussion of that. And that's why they need to face the repercussions of the law on it. 28:09 Nobody is condoning the behaviour. Absolutely. And let that be perfectly clear. Nobody here is condoning it. But what you're saying, Lee, is the law makes a little bit of sense. It's there to protect young people from themselves, basically. 28:26 Well, you can't say a child is an adult. You can't say a child should face the wrath of the law and be plastered everywhere who's 10. 28:32 Well, as you can hear... Come on, lads. You can't do that. You can't say that. Again, nobody... Well, that's my opinion. Jess is entitled to wrong. But nobody is saying a 10-year-old. A 10-year-old isn't past the age of criminal responsibility. 28:42 No, but if you get rid of name... Say you change the law and you want to name, right? You're getting rid of... It applies to any age. 28:50 If you say you're removing it for 13 plus or whatever... No, it doesn't, Lee. 28:54 And this is what I explained to you earlier on. A child will not be charged with a crime until they reach the age of 12. Okay, 12 plus. Yeah, 12 plus. 29:02 whatever the case is. If you change the law, you're changing it for whatever ages. And they're still not an adult. They're still a child. 29:10 Okay, stay with me for a second, Lee. By the way, there's no reason to even have it as low as 10. I know Lee keeps talking about 10-year-olds. 10-year-olds generally do not commit serious crimes. Generally, they don't. You know, the Terry, or the, what's his name, John Venables. John Venables was 10 when he took Jamie Bulger up the train tracks, yeah? And that's a very rare, very rare case of someone that age. Most 10-year-olds do not behave that way. 29:35 So there's no point in even talking about 10-year-olds, because there was nobody... We're not talking about 10-year-olds, because 10-year-olds have not reached the age of criminal responsibility in Ireland. 29:42 There was nobody in that car at the M50, 10 years of age, I assume, out of half. Not that we're aware of. 29:47 out at half four in the morning not that we're aware of ten year old Trevor every single one of them should be named shamed put on fucking billboards and that includes boy A and boy B I have no idea who they are if these little scumbags get out in years to come the public has no idea who they are could go on to do other things Just like these fellas who went up the M50 the wrong way. Yeah, I think they all should be named Shane and put on billboards or pictures with their names and big bold letters underneath. Fuck any of these little Muppet prisons that we have in Ireland. 30:18 Oh wait, we only have the one for the juveniles. So you know what? Put them everywhere. Put them on blast and let the fucking public judge them and let them live with the shame of it for the rest of their lives. Like I said, boy A, boy B, little scumbags will get out in a few years and have a clean slate while that girl is in the ground and she will never have a life because of them fucking two absolute pox bottle animals. And I'm telling you, I don't think you're playing yourself but I'm presenting it anyway. Have a good one. 30:45 It's the Opinions Matter podcast with Adrian Kennedy and Jeremy Dixon. A podcast from Ireland with a difference. 30:51 Angela, you're on Opinions Matter. How are you, Angela? Hi, guys. How are you? Good, thanks, Angela. The law that we have in place is there for a reason, and the reason is to help young offenders change their lives, change their ways, and not have what they did as teenagers influence the rest of their days. 31:10 Is your one still on there? What's her name? Lee, is it? Lee is still there, yep. Yeah. Lee, so if it was eight young fellas from D4 with lovely parents, should they get treated differently? 31:27 I don't even understand the question, Angela. I don't either, lads. 31:31 I don't either. 31:32 You're making excuses for them, Lee. You're making excuses. I'm not making it. No, sorry, sorry. No, no. Listen to what I said. I made no excuses for anyone breaking the law. You've had your talk. You've had your talk. Hold on a second now. No, don't put words on my mouth. Don't say things I didn't say. You did. You said, what if they had a bad upbringing? What if their parents were strung out? No, I didn't. 31:54 That wasn't a reason. I said they should face the repercussions of the law regardless if they've broken it. Listen to what I said now. Don't start putting words on my mouth. 32:03 But did you turn around and say, what if their parents went around and strung out? No, I was explaining to Jess that it's not black and white. That's my point on what she was making. It is black and white. So if it was eight lads from D4 who had a great... Sorry, forget about the 10. Right, forget about the 10. Was Anna at day 11? Lee, you've had your chance. You've had your chance. I'm answering it. I'm asking you a question. I'm asking you a question. So if it was eight lads from D4 with... I don't give a shit where they're from. 32:35 They face the law and the repercussions of it. Oh, so they face the same as if there is no excuse for them. Oh, my God. Listen to what I'm saying. What are you going on with it? 32:45 Honestly, Angela, when you listen to what the woman said, what she said was she is happy as... Face the repercussions. 32:50 Yes, she is happy as... What I'm saying is... What is the difference between a 14-year-old knowing what they're doing? They knew what they were doing. Why shouldn't they be named? 33:00 You're putting words in my mouth I didn't say. Sorry, what is your question, Angela, to me? 33:06 Because I'm a bit confused as to what you're getting at. Oh, well, then maybe you should listen and stop interrupting me. 33:11 I did answer your question, but you went back to D4. There you go again. 33:16 You're interrupting again. You have said that if they're kids, right, they should all face repercussions. Yes. But these are kids who might have been brought up with no parents or single mothers or, you know, and that's an excuse because that is an excuse. 33:33 No, no, no. No, that's not what I said. I said anyone who breaks the law and does a dangerous act like what these kids did in the car need to face the repercussions of the law. That's what I said. Listen to my words, Angela. 33:46 Yeah, no, no, I have. I have heard what you said. But what I am saying is, why not name them? 33:51 I just explained my reasons why I feel, in my opinion, a 10, 11, 13-year-old should not be named. 33:58 14-year-old, 15-year-old, 16-year-old. You don't think they should be named for what they've done? 34:04 I said, I think a 10, 11, 12, 13 is very different to a 17, 18, 19 adult age. So you think of 14, 15, so you think of 14, 15, 34:15 Oh my God, actually, listen to what I'm saying. 34:18 Listen to what I'm saying. As young as 10, 11, I think yes is very different to plastering. Sorry, let me answer you. Sorry, let me answer you. 34:29 I haven't finished. I haven't finished. No, I didn't finish. You interrupted me. I didn't finish my point there. 34:35 Okay, I can't hear both of you when you're... 34:37 I know, because I can't get a word in without finishing this. Sorry. The thing is, Lee, I have asked... I'm trying to ask you a question, but you're interrupting before I'm finished. Okay, can you ask the question then, please? There you go again. Shut up and let me ask you a question. 34:53 Okay, will you ask the question before I lose the will to live? Go on. 34:57 Yeah, exactly. I am too. So you think up to 13 don't name them, but you think 17 do name them. No, I didn't say that either. You're not listening. I didn't say that either. You just did. 35:10 You said 11, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19. 35:14 Jess, the law in this country is that under 18s who are convicted of a crime are not named. Are you happy that that situation remain? 35:21 I'm not saying I'm happy with the laws currently in place. I'm saying, OK, if I had to say and say, would I be happy for as young as 11 or 13 for their place, for their photo and their name to be plastered all over the place? And they're at most risk because their children, they're not an adult. Their risk at that age, especially, never mind adults. No, I wouldn't be happy with that. 35:47 I don't think that's appropriate. You don't think a 14-year-old knows the right from wrong? No, that's not what I said. 35:53 Listen, I said I don't agree with the photo of a child and their name being plastered everywhere for the general public with nutters out there to go and attack them or other children because they're most at risk of harm. 36:08 Who cares, please? They got in a car, they could have killed someone. Oh, Angela, do you know what? Yes, I understand that. As I said, they should face the repercussions of the law for 12 plus. If they did kill somebody, should they be named? 36:24 talk it's amazing not that justice is done and they're charged and they face repercussions this is ultimately Lee's point that her whole thing is she is happy as long as somebody is charged and convicted 36:40 To say I'm happy is not like... 36:44 Okay, I'll rephrase that. The ultimate aim of the law is to find somebody accountable for a crime. 36:51 Exactly. And they face the repercussions, but they don't do it again. 36:55 If that happens, surely that's the result we all want. Naming them or otherwise is kind of irrelevant. 37:00 Surely... so Lee if you have kids and 10 years down the line I have a son yes I have a son and he's 11 and would I like to be let me answer that actually let me add a point while it's in my head can I just say this while it's in my head let me ask the question again I can't hear both of you okay sorry go on Angela go on ask the question go on So it's a girl, right, who murders someone at the age of 17, okay? It's charged as a child. So what girl? Like what age, girl? 37:32 Can you just clarify a bit better? I just said 17, if you actually listen. I said so you have a 17-year-old girl who murders someone, is put away for 15 years, and ends up marrying your son. Oh my God, Angela, for fuck's sake, are you for real? Are you happy that you didn't know about this? 37:49 If my son goes in, I want to marry somebody regardless of that, do you think I can stop him? Are you for real? Angela, my son is being brought up the best I can. Let me flip that to your question. Would I be okay with my 11-year-old photo being plastered across and his name publicly just flip it as a mother flip it as a mother would I be happy now sorry actually do you have children since we're going down that road no I don't oh here we go you don't have kids no no you put it that way you put it that way and I'm putting it back to you that way so I have an 11 year old son And if his name at 11 was plastered across the country, right, and his name disclosed, is that appropriate? 38:35 No. Will he face the consequences in the rap if he was one of those kids in the car? Absolutely. 38:41 Okay, do me a favour. Stay on the line there for one second if you can, please. Trying to get Gary on. 38:47 Gary sent it. I presume it's for... Well, I don't know if it's for you, Angela, or for you, Lee, who this message is. Well, it came in for us, but it's directed at one of you. And it's from Gary, who we're trying to get on. Gary, your phone is off. We're trying to ring you, and it's going to your voicemail. 39:03 Do you want to read out Gary's message? I will. 39:05 I know one of them that was in the car on Saturday. Well, it was early Sunday. He's my cousin. And that nosy, posh... 39:15 I won't read it. No, read it on its entirety. Do I have to? Yes. That nosy, posh geebag needs to mind her own business. They were young and done a stupid thing and you can't mind your kids all the time. Does she even have kids? They're the victims as well, yet you want them in prison even though they're suffering as well. So tell that Angela Yoke to mind her own business. 39:36 Now, Angela's gone off the line, but Angela, if you're still listening, I've been told to tell you to mind your own business you're a nosy posh gee bag quote unquote from Gary and now by the way that's allegedly I allegedly know one of the guys that were in the car we don't know we're trying to get Gary on we don't know that for a fact let's bring in more opinions on this this whole thing about him saying they're the victims as well how is that how do you work that one out and that we're lefties well they are victims of a crash regardless whether they caused it or not if you're in a car crash today and it's your fault that the car crashed You're still a victim of a car crash. 40:15 That wouldn't be too close. 40:18 Jay, you're on Opinions Matter. 40:20 Good topic, but I think it's not where I stand on this. 40:25 Answer me this. What's this naming and shaming? What's this shaming part? Do you think these fuckers care? do you think they feel shame do you think their families feel shame do you don't you just want to name and shame them so you just can say they're little scumbags little scrotes white little scumbags from walking class areas that's all you just want to do you just want to come on with the mothers and fathers are scum that's the scum that's scum just because the child grows up bad doesn't mean they're bad parents okay some children just grow up bad but it should be interesting to hear the do-gooders and this is all you liberals that caused this okay closing down all the prisons letting everybody out and everybody should be fucking hooked But now it's coming around the voyage is all in the ass. 41:04 Opinions Matter. 41:05 Opinions Matter. With Adrian Kennedy and Jeremy Dixon. A daily podcast from Ireland about opinions. 41:11 Now, you wanted to mention something there? 41:13 Well, do we want Gary on? No, not really. Why? Because his phone is now on. 41:18 Amanda has been ringing his number. So once again, if you didn't hear Gary's message, I won't read the bad language again, but Gary is claiming to know one of the young fellas that was in the car. They were young. It only happened the other day, Gary. Calm down there. They haven't grown up now. 41:35 They were young and done a stupid thing You see, that's where I draw the line, Gary. A stupid thing is Mize Youngfully yesterday was home and left the fridge open to go out and play football with his mates. And when we got home, the whole fridge, the freezer was defrosted because he left the door open. That's a stupid thing. So don't say that driving the car the wrong way up the M50 at half four in the morning is a stupid thing because that's playing it down. Would you not agree? 42:04 I would argue with you that. There's no argument. No, we've all done. You may not have. 42:09 No, we didn't all do stuff like that. We didn't all do. 42:12 I'll give you an example of something that I did when I was a young fella. Okay? Just have a listen to this story. 42:17 You drove a stolen car. 42:18 Then I don't want to know. Then I don't want to know. I was responsible for a load of accidents though. Okay? When I was a young fella, a little gobshite of a young fella in Ballybrack, there was a box that we used to sit on. Yeah. And for some bizarre reason, I decided I wanted to kick this box. Yeah. Just bear with me for a sec. I wanted to kick this box. So there's this box and I kicked the fucking box and I knocked lumps out of the box. Yeah. Yeah. What happened? The traffic lights that were controlled by that box went off. So I knocked out the traffic lights. This is at the junction between Ashland Park and Oakton Park and Ballybrack. 42:50 Those traffic lights are still there. 42:53 I knocked out the traffic lights. As a result of that, there were four crashes within an hour at that very junction. I caused that. I'm responsible for that because I was a fucking little gobshite that kicked the traffic light box. So my point is, that was a stupid, stupid thing for me to do as a kid. But I directly caused four accidents at that junction in Ballybrack. Thankfully, nobody was killed, but somebody could have been. 43:21 Say, what's your point? My point is it was a stupid thing to do. 43:25 What the fuck was I doing kicking the box? There's levels of stupidity and there's levels of criminality. For Gary to say they're the victims as well and use lefties want them in prison even though they're suffering as well. Gary, please come on. Please come on. Because I want to destroy you like a fly flying in my kitchen. I want to swatch you because you're a fucking idiot. An absolute idiot. And the way you spoke about one of our female callers calling her a nosy, posh gi-bag, I tell that Angela, that just shows what kind of upbringing you had as well. 43:58 And that's the problem, Adrian. People with... With these kind of upbringings, they don't see the problem with that. They're just kids. Those kids were throwing rocks off the bridge at cars. They're only kids. They're only... Should we all done that? No, Gary. Did you ever hear of peer pressure? No, we did. Fuck off, Adrian. Seriously, don't. Did you ever hear of peer pressure? Don't annoy me. 44:16 Do you even know what peer pressure is? 44:17 Yeah, I do. Don't annoy me. 44:19 Were you ever a victim of peer pressure? Doing something because all the other lads were doing it? You really have no clue about teenagers. You obviously had an abnormal teenage life because... No, I had a proper upbringing. I wasn't dragged up on the streets. I wasn't dragged up on the streets and I caused four accidents because I was fucking stupid. 44:38 Anyway, Gary, I implore... Is implore the word? Implore. Yeah. I implore you to come onto the podcast because you are possibly the most stupid person I've ever heard from in my life. Chloe, you're on... They're the victims. They're the victims. They're the victims. 44:50 Chloe, you're on Opinions Matter. How are you, Chloe? I'm good. Well, Chloe, should we continue to do what the law does and protect the identity of juvenile offenders? 45:02 In my opinion, it wouldn't matter on what the crime is. Do I think you should have been named and chained in the Herald back in the day? No, I do not. You stupidly kicked the box. Okay, I was never convicted of it. 45:13 Hang on, Chloe, I'm just saying, I was just telling that story to highlight how fucking stupid I was, but I was never convicted of it, so I'd never be named anyway. I was never even arrested. 45:22 Well, what should you have been, Adrian? Had I been arrested and charged and convicted and caused four accidents? 45:26 Yeah, maybe. 45:28 Right, so now that you have that knowledge and hindsight is great to have. What we're seeing is our kids are being shown this lifestyle of criminality and how it's great. You get loads of money if you do all these things. You can butcher cars and sell them for cars, all this shit. It's not the parents' fault. It's coming down to not where you are raised or how you are raised, but who you associate with. We should name these kids, just like Anna Kriegel's murderer should have been named. Stop calling them the kids who done that by anybody. They're fucking murderers. These are not kids who just stole their hair. 46:00 These are kids who wrecked someone's life. 46:03 Sorry, Chloe, they were convicted of that very crime. But they should have been named. 46:08 Why should their parents get to walk around that same town where Anna's parents live and hold their heads up and not be absolutely fucking mortified by what their kids done? 46:17 Well now the dogs on the street in that area know exactly who they are and exactly who their parents are. 46:22 Exactly, but they'll walk around with their head held high, someone Okay, so let's look at that accident on the M50. Nobody has been charged. We do know that eight people were in the car, eight juveniles by all accounts. 46:43 And I'm thankful nobody was killed. Correct. But then kids are victims of a car crash too, but they stole the car. One thing does not help you, the other. They stole the car. Were they stupid? Yes. Do I think they should be named? Yes, because it's all over TikTok who they are anyway. 46:58 Okay, now TikTok isn't the criminal courts of justice, so let's just make that part. No, but we all know who the kids are, and I feel sorry for their families as well. And by the way, can I just say that it is so fucking irresponsible and I genuinely mean this, for anybody to be naming kids in relation to this incident for two reasons, OK? One is that you could identify the wrong kid because you don't know for a fact. But secondly, any possible trial that any of those kids might face is immediately prejudiced by the fact that they've been named online. 47:33 Well, Adrian, my big problem here is Leanne or Lee, whatever her name is. She's bringing up the areas these children are reared in. Some of them are reared in my own locality. I know some of their families. They're lovely people, good, hard-working people. Their kids made a stupid decision. That doesn't fall under their responsibilities. You probably know them 14-year-olds. I've said the usual, I'm staying in his house, he's staying in my house. We've all done it. We've all done that. We've all made that stupid thing, that split decision. 48:03 But Chloe, bearing in mind what you've just said, that we do stupid things when we're younger, surely we should be protecting those young people. 48:12 But when does that end? Because a lot of the times we see in these types of cases, these kids actually grow up into more criminal enterprises. If the guards have a name for this gang, they're very aware of what they're doing. Their hands are tied, much like most of their parents would be, because if you even attempted to discipline your child in this day and age, tussle it would be wrangling you. 48:30 Yeah, no, I agree with you on that. That's another day's work. But in terms of these kids, if one or two or all of them, which is very unlikely, by the way, but if one or two of them are charged in relation to either stealing a car or driving recklessly on the motorway or whatever the case may be, do you believe... Or driving without insurance. Or driving without insurance, yeah. Do you believe that those individuals, all minors, should be named publicly? 49:01 I think those who are convicted of a crime should be named publicly, regardless of their age. Regardless. If you are big enough to commit that crime, you are big enough to face the consequences. 49:09 Okay, so the argument in favour of this law where they're not identified is, the reason they're not identified is to help them change their lives. 49:17 Well, none of them are changing their lives. 49:20 You don't know. A lot of juvenile offenders, by the way, are well aware that if they keep their nose clean from the age of 18, they're good to go. Do you know what I mean? 49:29 Oh, I fully believe that should stand in situations like this, where they've done a stupid thing, but this stupid thing could have killed not only themselves, but that other young driver, who was actually getting attacked for being a novice driver. Makes no sense to me, but neither here nor there. These kids should face the full consequences. It should not go on their adult record, but it should be named. This has been done. 49:48 Yeah, but Chloe, by naming them, it is literally on their adult record. They may not have a criminal record. 49:55 No, wouldn't they? Journalists can release their name without going on to their adult conviction. 49:59 No, no, no, you're not listening to me. 50:01 Google is your friend for life. If somebody is named as a teenager, they may not have a criminal conviction when they're an adult, but a quick Google search would show that they were done for something when they were 16. Do you not get that? 50:12 And hopefully they would have managed to turn their whole lives around. Is that not the point of the enemy? Surely to God, At 14, which the youngest person in the car, I believe was, they were 14 to 17, I believe I read. At 14, you have four years to turn your life around. And you can say, yeah, I've done something stupid when I was a kid. 50:31 Much more difficult when you are being publicly identified. Extremely difficult. The law is there to protect them from that. 50:40 But why are they being protected? That young man who was driving has been named all over social media. 50:45 Sorry, that man has chosen to be named, has chosen and his family. 50:49 Right, well then kids put this up on social media, so are they not choosing to be named? I mean, there's Snapchats my son had on his phone, he thought in, and there was them in the car on his Snapchat. 50:57 Sorry, are you saying there's a video on Snapchat of them? 50:59 There's a video of these kids on Snapchat in the car. 51:02 Jesus. I haven't seen that, so I can't verify. 51:05 If you want an anonymity, don't put it up on the internet. As you said, internet's for life. 51:10 Okay, stay there for a second. I want to bring in one final call. 51:13 Well, hang on. Before you do, Adrian, does that not change things? I'm going on to my Snapchat. No, it can. 51:18 Jeremy, this just proves what idiotic, brain-dead, stupid, gobshite teenagers they are. Listen to yourself. That's how stupid and thick they are. Do you not get that? That they think that they don't realise the consequences of putting up a fucking video in a robbed car. 51:35 Seriously, think about it. Oh, God. So just like in the Bible at the time, forgive them, Lord, they know not what they do. Correct. Really? Correct. That's exactly right. And you like that Bible reference, Chloe. That is what you're going on, Adrian. Forgive them, Lord, they know not what they do. Yep. That's a poor excuse. 51:50 Ciarán, you're on Opinions Matter. How are you, Ciarán? I'm good, Adrian. How are you? Good, thank you. What did you want to say on this? 51:56 On the most recent point, I would agree because someone is entitled to change their life. Suppose one of those guys on the M50 is currently in a really bad state mentally about what has happened and decides, right, that's it. I'm never going to do anything wrong ever again. Now, should he face the consequences? Absolutely. But is he going to have his name plastered? That's unfair. Because as soon as he turns 18, now, someone mentioned earlier, hindsight is a great take. 52:27 Well, let's do the opposite. Let's go into the future. That guy, you know, gets to 60 and 70 years old, never commits anything in his adult life. All because of the mistake he made on the M50 50 years ago. Is he not entitled to have his anonymity protected? Now, face the consequences, absolutely. Whatever the crime he committed, absolutely. Insurance, dangerous driving, whatever. You know, peer pressure is a big thing. It could be people in that car who didn't actually want to be in that car. 52:58 Sorry, sorry. Someone was dragged into the car. Someone was kidnapped. I'm not saying they were dragged. Well, that's possible, but that's not what I meant. Sorry, Jeremy. That's not what I meant. Sorry, Jeremy. 53:08 You were never an easily led young fella that followed the herd. 53:13 All young fellas are easily led. Every single one of them. 53:16 All I'm hearing is excuses here, lads. No, you were never led. 53:21 Jeremy, it's not an excuse. It's a reason. And there's a difference. 53:26 Chloe, let me throw that back to you, Chloe, that, you know, we have to look at what we're talking about here. We're talking about gobshite teenagers who are just easily led fools. And when I look at myself as a teenager, I was that gobshite. saying here. You there, Chloe? Oh, she's gone. She's gone. Sorry, my apologies. 53:47 So you were saying actually in a message that she sent us earlier on that you were charged with an offence and you were publicly named even though you were innocent. 53:57 Yeah, absolutely. And that happens all the time. And that had grave consequences for my work. I only guard a veteran for work. And because I'd been charged with a crime, I had to tell my employer that I was suspended until the trial happened. 54:12 But hang on, hang on. In this case, you can't really ruin the reputation of minors. It's not as if they have job interviews in the morning. 54:19 No, you're not listening to what he just said. He was charged with a crime that he was innocent of. Obviously, it went to court and you were ultimately cleared of that crime. But the point was he was named because he was charged. And you don't believe people should even be named when they're charged. Absolutely not. 54:35 Can you imagine the consequences of that for more serious crimes than what I was charged with? 54:40 Okay, but in fairness, everybody is identified if they are charged and are going to be tried with a crime. 54:48 Yeah, exactly. I'm wrong. I think that's completely wrong. 54:51 Okay, so you don't believe that somebody should be named until they're actually convicted and found guilty? 54:57 Exactly. Look at the famous cases in the UK, Cliff Richards. Yeah, look at his reputation now because of what he was charged with. 55:06 Or arrested. He was charged and arrested, wasn't he? 55:08 No, he was never charged. He was questioned. He was arrested. He was arrested and questioned, yes. No, I agree. He should never have been identified. 55:18 Neither should anybody until they're found guilty. 55:22 Okay, but the difference with Cliff Richard is he was never charged with anything. He was questioned. He was never charged. You were actually charged. 55:29 Yeah, absolutely I was on two separate occasions and, you know, nothing happened. And yet I had to give up work for six weeks. 55:37 Okay, so as far as you're concerned, the law that is in place at the moment where a juvenile offender is not identified when they're charged and is not identified if and when they are found guilty, you believe that that's there for very good reason? Absolutely, 100%. Well, there you are, Chloe. That is there for very good reason. 55:58 It's not a good reason. What is the good reason that kids can sometimes change their lives? Maybe being charged and named would be the push to change their lives. I just really wanted to comment on what Lee was saying around areas and upbringing such as my own. It was very condescending and classist because some of the best kids come from areas like mine, which people forget. We may be notorious in the Sunday world but there's a lot of good, hard-working people in areas like mine. But having dipshits like him on the other end saying, oh, let everyone do whatever they want. 56:29 No, there's no deterrence for these kids. The guards can't even chase them in case somebody accidentally dies these days. What are we to do as a society? It's becoming lawlessness. That's what's taking over. 56:40 OK, let me put that to you, Ciarán, that an awful lot of crime being committed in this country is juvenile crime. And they are getting away with it with absolute impunity because they know they're not going to suffer long term consequences. And the guards in a lot of cases couldn't be arsed because it's more paperwork than it's worth. 57:02 Yeah, absolutely. And it's completely wrong and something needs to be done about it. That's a completely separate argument. Is it really? 57:10 Is it? No, it's not a separate argument. It's the same thing. 57:14 I'm from this area where some of them young kids are from. Every teenager who commits a crime, you know, every teenager who commits a crime, that's a judgment on society. 57:24 No, that's not what I said. I stated earlier, if you listen, there's some crimes that need to be named and changed. No, I disagree. Yeah, well, So you think Anna Kriegel's killer should not be named? 57:34 No, there's very good reasons for that. 57:36 What is the good reason for that? Because Anna's last moments, which were barbaric, were made public for the world, but them little shits get to keep their identities, didn't they? 57:45 They should have been home publicly. They should have been home. 57:48 Okay, we don't have public hangings now, Chloe. Relax. 57:51 We should bring it in for that type of stuff, Adrian, being honest with you. 57:56 Those killers of Anna Creed, let's say they were named and shamed, right? Now, how long ago was that crime? How long ago was that crime? 58:03 It was in 2018. 58:04 Yeah, seven years ago. 58:06 Right. So in whatever year it is when they get out, are you going to say, oh, there's the guys who killed Anna Kriegel? I would. 58:15 I'd contact them everywhere they went and say shame like they did in Game of Thrones. I'd be behind them. You won't know them. 58:20 You won't know what they look like. 58:21 But that's the problem. That's the problem. 58:22 What if my daughter, who's an adult, ends up with one of them? What if one of her kids end up with one of them and they're murderers? That's your kid's decision. They'll be an adult. There's not a thing you can do about it. But that's what I'm saying. 58:33 We should know. You believe that if, say, for example, with the M50 crash, if somebody is convicted of some offense revolving around that incident, you believe that that person should not be identified publicly for good reason in order to allow them to get their shit together, for want of a better expression, before they become adults. But, Chloe, you believe they should be named, they should be identified, even if it's a badge that they have to wear for the rest of their days. 59:02 I'm more upset, Adrian, at the fact Lee came on here, blamed their parents, blamed their upbringing, blamed their area, blamed everything but the people doing it. 59:11 That was actually Angela. 59:12 Whoever done it, I couldn't really hear the phone line was a bit godly. Angela. For blaming everything to do with my area in particular, which is where these kids are from, by the way, who is she to judge any of them parents or any of them families? 59:25 Okay, thanks very much indeed, Chloe. 59:27 And thank you all of you for your messages. Let me squeeze in one final WhatsApp. Before we play that, because it's very important, Lee has been on very upset and angry about being misquoted. It wasn't Lee that actually said that. It was Angela. No, I don't remember Angela blaming the actual area, but it certainly wasn't Lee that said that. And she just sent a message that's been playing in my ear at the moment to stress that it was not her. 59:50 Okay, Brian. 59:52 Hi guys, Brian here. Now that all two boys, or two men now, who murdered Annika Eagle, could the media not apply to the courts now and have them named now that they are adults? You know, especially the fact that one of them is now on the sex offenders register. Surely people have a right to know. And here, Brian here, thank you. 60:13 All right. 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